Interviews Done in 1980
One day I walked by a trash can; I saw a magazine lying next to it. I picked it up, and took it home with me. Later that night, I started to look through it. It was a publication re: dominants & submissives. It had ads in it from swingers, gays, dominants & submissives. Also, some are from gay males, & lesbians.
After thinking about it for a day or so; I thought I would answer some of the ads, just to see if it was all true!
I started by writing to swingers: I answered about 6 of them and gave a description of me; my box # to answer to.
I had replies from 4 of the ones I wrote to. All had phone numbers, so I called them all; set up appointments with them. of course, at this time, everyone I talked to thought I was a "swinger" too. I told them as we met that I was going to write a book; & would appreciate talking to them to find out about their lifestyles.
They were very nice, & said ok!
The first couple I called on was in their 40s; she was a very nice-looking lady, & had a good shape. He was a large man, about 6'6" & would weigh about 230#. Of course, that's just a guess, but he was a big guy. He had a full beard, & was not bad looking. I asked them why they found it necessary to "swing," rather than just have each other. The gal said that her husband's penis wasn't as big as she liked; so she found men that could satisfy her more; because of their size. He said he liked a woman with large breasts, & big butts. They both found what pleased them most at the parties they attended.
The second couple I talked to, was not at all happy that I wasn't a swinger but after some talk, & time they agreed to see it through.
I asked them the same question; why? she said they enjoyed sex; & preferred to have someone new. Their sex life was not at all good before they started to swing. Now it was the "most." This couple was in their late 30s. Also glad because of the many friends they now had.
The third couple was in the early 50s. both were heavy people; & not the best-looking people. but they said that among the swinging crowd, size, & or looks didn't make that much difference. All that counted was being sexual! They claimed that they had not had any sex between them for at least a year; before they started swinging. Now they were having sex, 2 or 3 times a week. This is besides going to parties.
The fourth couple was beautiful folks. They are in their early 20s, & both are very handsome people. She had a figure that would turn any male head. She said they were both "horny," & wanted all the sex they could get. They didn't care how old the people were that they mixed with or what they looked like. As long as they wanted to have sex!
I wrote next to the gay males. I sent letters to 6 of them. Received a reply from 4. They had phone numbers, called & made a date to see them.
The first one I called on was in his late 30s; he had been married; but decided he would rather be with men. Said he one day let a gay male have him; then, thinking about it, thought he would try getting a man to let him suck his cock. He tried it once, & liked it. Started then to play the gay bars. After several months of a part-time gay life, he decided to get a divorce; & go all the way. So now he lived with another male; they were not in "love" but did love the sex they had together. He said it was the only life for him!
The second one was also a submissive. He only went with dominant males; he enjoyed being abused and used sexually. This fellow was in his early 50s, had never been married; said he never cared for females. Not even when he was a teen. Said that when he showered after a gym class, he liked looking at the other boy's nakedness. Before he was 20, he had his first experience; & hasn't changed since then.
Number three! He was a man in his late 30s; he said he had been gay all his life; or as far back as he could remember. Always liked boys; played with dolls when he was a youngster. He said he did cross-dress once in a while; would not go out that way but enjoyed being the "girl" at home once in a while!
The fourth one met me at the door. Asked if I was gay. No. After I told him what my purpose was, he told me, "try it out; & see for myself." Needless to say, I left!
Then decided to write to some dominants, both male & female. I wrote to 7, and called by phone 3 of ten; I could talk to 4 of them. And the only one that I contacted by phone.
The one by phone was a male. He was 50 years old; had been a pro Master for 12 years. Has had both male & female clients. He took me into his dungeon; he had two tables set up. One had a dildo in the center of it; that could be raised up to penetrate a rectum. Also had a rack that rolled across the table from front to rear; it had a bracket attached to it that some of his "toys" could be hooked to. One was a rod about 4 ' long. & it had tiny metal spikes on it. About nine whips of all sizes & kinds hanging on the wall. he also had some seven dildos hanging on the wall. All kinds & sizes. He said he truly enjoyed giving pain to whoever he had!
The next one was a Mistress; she was in her late 40s; about 5'6" & had to weigh at least 300 pounds. She was homely as can be. But seemed to be popular regardless. She said she had 10 to 14 clients in a week. All males. She had a well-equipped dungeon, many whips, body probes, & a half dozen dildoes. She said abusing men was her specialty. She claimed to hate all men; & wanted as many as she could get to "hurt".
She said that I looked like a good candidate; why don't I strip down, & get on her table. I said, "NO, thanks; goodby!"
Then I called on another Master. He was in his 30s; he, like the others, had a well-equipped dungeon for his routine. He had both male & female clients. Had an extensive array of dildoes hanging on the wall. The largest was 12" by 6". He said he used dildoes on everyone he had in! More whips were hanging than I had ever seen before. He admitted that he was into a little bit of everything, to abuse his clients. While we were talking; he was sitting next to a table; had a 7' cane whip, with about a 6" tail of heavy leather on the end of it; & he kept hitting the table with it. I was glad to leave him!
The last one, was a young beautiful girl, in her early 30s. She said she did not like her profession. She was going to stay into it, only until she made enough money to do what she had planned. Said most of her clients; she would bind their hands behind them. She would strip down naked, whip them until they had enough, untie them. Make them "jack off" on a plastic sheet. Then lick it all up with their tongue while she whipped them. We had a really good conversation; we got along very well. We had coffee, and cookies, & she asked if I would like to go to bed with her. GOD! Yes.... but I was married, & decided I shouldn't. so like a dum dum, I said no! She had a body that would make a dead man turn to look at! Yes she was a Mistress!
I then answered ads from lesbians; being a male, I had to be upfront with them right off the bat. I was able to set up an appt. with 3.
The first was a "large" gal; a short mannish haircut, and wide shoulders,& stood about 6'3" & would weigh at least 230 #. She was close to 40 at least. Her lover was a very pretty young girl in her 20's. Long black hair, & a beautiful shape. Stood about 4'10", wouldn't weigh a 100 #, wringing wet! The big woman told me she was looking for "another" wife. She wanted to start a small harem. Would like to have at least 3 to take care of. One thing is for sure; she ruled the roost with an iron hand! I sure wouldn't want to tangle with her!!
The next one was a loner; she said she played the singles bars; & picked up what was available. Sometimes would take 2 home with her. Said she performed oral on them, & used a strap-on dildo too. Did not have a steady girlfriend; only wanted different ones all the time. She was in her 30s; & was a nice-looking gal; with a lovely figure. I couldn't help but think that some male was losing out with this one!
The third one was an older woman. In her 50s, she did have a younger one living with her. But said she would have others in, also. Liked to have a "real" party. Had never married; sex with a male was very painful for her. She had tried it as a younger girl; & it was not only painful but unrewarding as well for her. It's too bad; because even at her age, she was a beautiful woman!
Then, I went all the way. I sought out prostitutes. Of course, the ones I talked to were young, early 20s, & 30s. and pretty, as well, as nicely shaped. All wore short skirts & a revealing top.
One red-headed, pretty, well-shaped was a "hard" case. Said she would only spend a short time with a trick. 15 minutes was the max. If they seemed to linger, she would talk filth to them to "get them off"!
Time was money; & she wouldn't waste any at all!
The next one was the youngest. In her early 20s. She had been in the "business" since she was 14 years old. Had to leave home because her stepfather was always after her. When she hit the streets, the only way to survive was to sell her body. She said she didn't enjoy it, but that was all she knew to do! God, what a waste of beauty,& human life!
Then the winner! A woman close to 50. She wasn't what you would call even pretty. But she did have a wonderful sense of humor. She also was a very busty gal. had to be 46dd! I think that is what made the game for her. And she really showed them off. A very low-cut blouse. If this gal gave you a "bust" in the mouth, you'd lose all your teeth! But she seemed to be more the motherly type. Of course, I was probably dreaming!! Whatever she really was, I truly enjoyed talking with her.
There was a rather young gal walking the streets; she a black; but a very pretty gal. She waved at me as I drove by slowly. I stopped, pulled to the curb & waited for her to come to my car. I had a c.b.radio in my car; & when she saw it; she said, "Oh boy, your a cop!" I said, no honey, I'm not a cop. I told her it was a C.B. & not to worry. She got in the car with me. Asked me if I wanted to have some fun. I asked how much fun,& how, & where. She said a good (f k), & she had the place. I told her I wasn't interested; but would like to talk to her about her life. I took out a 20-dollar bill, & said she could make that a lot easier than having sex with me! She said fine. So I asked her how old she was. 19 was her reply. I said no way! You are much younger than that. How old are you really? She said she was 15. I said she should be home doing homework for classes tomorrow. She said she quit school 2 years ago. Her mother was a drug addict & was to "beat up" looking to hit the streets. So she was out to get money for her. Nothing I could say! I did feel sorry for her, & added another 10 to the 20. Told her to get off the streets tonight. She thanked me; reached over; kissed me on the cheek, got out of the car, & ran off!
My next project was submissives; I wrote to 5 of them; called 3 phone numbers; & again was honest & told them all I was writing a book; & wanted to talk to them. 4 said ok!
The first one was a young male in his middle 20s; he was very nice. offered me coffee, so we had coffee while we talked.
He was interested in serving females only. He had a girlfriend that was learning some dominant ways. He bought her a whip; & she used it on him each time they were together. He also knew, & was going to a professional mistress a couple of times a month. He said it cost too much for him to go any more often. He enjoyed being whipped, put in bondage, & all else that was wanted from him. But he is not at all interested in seeing a dominant male!
The next one was a male in his late 40s; he jumped for Masters & Mistresses. He was a masochist: he said he couldn't get enough pain. He visited one Master the most. Because the Master really worked him over. He was sadistic! So they got along fine. He said sometimes he would start a fight with someone he knew could beat him up; just to have the pain! He took a whip out of the closet; asked me if I would care to use it on him. I said I was not the kind that could!
Then met a submissive crossdresser. He was dressed when I arrived at his apt. He really looked like a girl. He was in his middle 30s; he had on a dark red wig, short skirt, colored blouse, high heels; & several big glassy rings, & a pearl necklace. He was a damn good-looking woman. He said he liked to go to gay, dominant men. That way, he was pleased sexually, & abused to his liking. He was a nice chap!
Then I met the real "winner"; he was in his 50s; he had burn marks all over his arms. He said they were all over his legs too. He punished himself! He didn't want anyone else doing anything to him. He said he put a steel bar over the burner on his stove, until it got red hot, then burned himself several times. I figured he was a really "weird" one. I didn't stay with him very long!
I received a letter in my P.O. box from a couple I had written to; then talked to on the phone. They had changed their minds; & would welcome me for a talk! I made an appt. with them. When I arrived, the man let me in; took me to the living room. His wife was sitting on a couch, naked; & had her legs spread apart wide! I was sitting in a chair across from her. The husband had on only a pair of shorts. He sat next to his wife. I asked them why they were swingers. The wife answered that they enjoyed making out with strangers. It was more exciting than the sex they had together. He was playing with her like crazy, pulling her boobs, and had his fingers in her between her legs; she asked me if I would like to join them? I thanked them, said "NO" & got out of there! What I write from now on will be from memory. I will not have it in sequence. It will come from what I remember.
I talked to another prostitute that was working the streets. She was in her early 30s, red-headed, nice figure. She must have needed a rest. She got in the car with me, & talked relatively freely. She was a submissive gal; & had some men seeing her that liked to push her around. She said she liked that kind! She enjoyed being slapped around, & being called dirty names. I asked what she charged; she said $50. Took on no more than 3 tricks a day. Whether or not they worked her over! She said she did not have a steady boyfriend, & did not want one. Only interested in her tricks!
One male I talked to was in his 40s; he liked cross-dressing, but only at home. He knew he couldn't pass, so he stayed in the closet! He was a big guy; a good 6'5"; weighed about 240 #. Had a girlfriend a year or so ago who dressed him. But she left town. So he dressed at home only. He was dressed when I arrived at his home; he didn't look bad at all; I told him I thought he could pass. But he wasn't up to taking the chance. Said he wouldn't know what to do if he did go out. Said he wasn't interested in meeting men. He was not gay!
I met with a couple arranged through one of the phone calls I made. They were both gay. He was 45 years old; she was in her late 20s. Both sexes were agreeable with them. They said they went to single bars; picked up whatever they could. He would crossdress some times; & have a male greek him. He knew he could not pass in public; but liked to have this at home, especially when a male they had in would take him. She liked to make love to a female, mostly. But would go with a male as well. She said she had a strap-on dildo; & would use it on her husband; when ever he dressed! She said she enjoyed making a slut out of her husband. I asked her if she was dominant. She said she liked to be once in awhile; he said he liked it too. She brought out the dildo she used. It was 9" long, & 5" thick. It was a wicked-looking (weapon)!
I talked on the phone to a 62-year-old male. He was very interested in talking to me. I set up an appt. Went to see him at his home. A real nice home he had. He had coffee made, and a bottle of brandy on the table. He offered me some; I said no thanks. I asked him just what he was into. He said he was a dominant male; liked both submissive males, & females. I asked how many he had on a regular basis. He said about 9.
What was the ratio of males? 4 females; 5 males. What did he do with the males? He stripped them to naked, put them in bondage; then whipped them all over their body. A couple of them he greeked too. Also made most of them give him oral sex; or be beat real good! He said he didn't have any trouble in that regard. All the males sucked his 9" cock; & liked it. The females he said he put in bondage; with their asses up in the air. Then he would whip them; then "screw" them; both in the pussy, then in the rear end! He said they all liked it. Kept coming back for more! Was he worried that he might be reported by one of them for his acts? Not at all he replied.
One thing that surprised me; several of the dominants said that they did get tired of having the same submissives coming to them.
They even told some of them not to return! They seemed to be looking for new blood! And thats for real; because blood is what they really get from some of their clients!
Of the submissives I talked to, most seemed to have a different idea; they preferred to stay with the same dominant. Didn't want to jump from one to another! To each his own, I guess!
One young man, a very submissive "SLAVE,"; as he called him self. Told me he had a Mistress. She was 56 years old. He was in his late 20s; he said she enjoyed beating him with a tree limb, about 6 ft. long, & around 1/2 inch thick. He said he visited her 3 times a week. Liked the welts, & stripes she left on him. Said it reminded him of his mother. I asked if his mother was that cruel. He said yes. She beat him each night before he went to bed! He said even at a young age; he enjoyed the beatings! He must have really enjoyed the pain! I talked to a mother & daughter, the mother in her 40s the daughter in her early 20s. The mother had been a professional Mistress; was training her daughter to be one. I asked the girl if she enjoyed being mean. She said she especially liked having older males crawl to her; & she liked using a whip on them. She would strip them and make them play with themselves until they had a hard-on; then, she would use a paddle on their cocks. She also said she liked to make some "jack off" while she watched, & taunted them. I sure felt she was right for the profession she had chosen! She had a boy friend that she was working on too. Said she would soon have him in the palm of her hand. Then she would work him over good!
He was 26 years old; liked to have her "play" the game with him. But in a milder way. That would end soon, she said!
Then ran into a "sick" situation for me. A 50-year-old mother that had a son in his late 30s: he was her SLAVE! He was naked when I arrived at their home. He had a heavy chain around his neck; that went to his wrists; then down to his ankles. His body was really racked up. Stripes, welts, & scars all over him. He was on his hands & knees and had a dildo; about 6 inches long in his mouth. She had a cane whip in her hands & was striking him with it as we talked. She said he was just like his father; & had to be punished on a regular basis. She said he slept on the floor, in the bedroom with her. She took the dildo out of his mouth; told him to tell me he wanted the life he was living. He did. She said that when her male friend came to visit, they both used him any way they wished. I didn't stay there too long!
One professional Mistress I talked to; said she was 63 years old; she had been married 4 times. Each was a disaster! She claimed to hate men. When she had one in, she did all she could to hurt him. Used every trick she had learned, & tried to think of more! She felt that no pain for a male was enough. She had so many "toys"; I was amazed!
Every type of whip, paddle, crop, several dildoes, and handcuffs, along with chains and leather cords to tie them up. She had a real mean streak in her for sure! One woman I surely didn't want to know!
I talked to a couple that was in their mid-50s: they were both dominant. Claimed to have many younger people coming to see them. Both males & females. They enjoyed punishing submissives. They had a dungeon, & many "toys" to play with! The man was a short heavy-set guy; the woman was a tall, rather nicely shaped gal. No sex of any kind was involved, just pain. They would both work on one person until they felt like that sub. was well punished. She said she especially liked to beat on, & torture a man's balls, & cock, while her husband beat on the rear end. They also used lots of bondage. Had chains, rope, & leather throngs to use. As big as she was, I doubt that many males would care to mix it up with her!
After a conversation with a professional Master, he invited me to be there when he had a session with a submissive. I said I would enjoy watching. When I arrived, the Master & I were alone. The subject would arrive in a bit. He asked if I would like to get involved. I thanked him but declined! When the submissive arrived, he was told to undress. He did, then told to get on the table. The Master started tying him down. His hands were tied to the rungs of the table; his angles were tied to bars at the bottom of the table, with his legs spread apart wide. The submissive was a large man; about 6'; a good 200 lbs.; by the time he was secured; he had an erection; damn good size too. The Master took a piece of thin rope and tied it around the cock, & balls, down to his ankles. He was really trussed up! Then the Master got a whip and a cane about 7' long; & 1/4 inch thick. He started to whip the submissive on the stomach, legs, across the balls, cock, & legs. The submissive just groaned a little. After some 15 minutes of that, the Master loosened the rope, only enough for the sub. to turn over on his stomach. He then proceeded to whip him on the ass, back, & legs. Many welts were showing! He then untied the submissive; retied his hands behind his back; tied his ankles together; told him to get on his knees; then asked if he was thirsty. The submissive said, "Yes, Master, I am." At that point, the Master put his cock into the sub's mouth & said, "drink"! So he was given the "golden showers"! When finished, the Master untied the sub. Told him to leave, & return two days later! After the sub left the master asked me what I thought.
- "I was totally amazed at what had happened. I told him so. He laughed & said it was mild compared to what he usually did!"
- "I do wonder how anyone can handle so much pain. Oh, I realize that many want it; thrive on it. But it still amazes me!"
I read a book some time ago written by a female doctor. She explained the psychological reasons re: D&S. I disagree with most of what I read. She needs a hell of a lot more experience than she has had. She claimed that she went "underground" & joined some clubs in the D&S scene. She thinks that the males that are submissive are because of a childhood experience. That the mothers did a lot of beating, & because of that, the males needed more as they grew older. Thats bull.
She also claimed that most submissive males have had the need to be with a dominant female most of their lives. That's a lot of trash too! From the talks I have had with submissives, no such thing is true. Since I am now a submissive, have been for a few years. Yes, I do have a Mistress; yes, I do as I am told to do by my Mistress, most times. And I never desired to be more or less than I was all my life!
It was something that just happened all at once. This Dr. needs a hell of a lot more knowledge, background, & experience with, & in the D&S scene! She is certainly way out in left-field, From what I have learned in interviewing many submissive males! I often wonder why these doctors think they know so damn much with only a short time in seeing, & interviewing certain types of people. It takes a lot more than a short time doing anything to get a handle on any lifestyle!
I remember talking to one submissive male that was in his 60s. He had been a manager of a large warehouse in the east. He certainly was never submissive in that job! He said he met a woman that was aggressive. It turned him on, & he went along with it. Said it was very satisfactory for him. But, he was submissive only to that female! He never in his adult life was dominated by anyone else!
I then called on two couples. Both were two males each.
The first couple was two young men; in their late 20s - very nice-looking guys. They considered themselves married! Said they had been together for six years. That they loved each other. Sex was part of their lives; but not the primary aspect of the life they lived. They had met at work seven or so years ago. They went out together to dinner, lunch, & finally to each other's home; had sexual contact; & eventually fell in love. They knew other couples with the same lifestyle; & had a friendship with them only. There was no sex between the couples. It was strictly a friendship! I was very impressed with them.
They did seem like the ideal couple!
The other couple I called on were two men in their 40s. They talked the same as the first two I had talked to. These two had been together for some twenty-odd years. So I think you could safely say the love affair was for real. The names of these two were; Tom & Jerry. Not the Cat & Mouse pair, indeed but it was a coincidence! They to seemed to be a very happy couple. So it shows that whatever lifestyle a person or persons choose; can be very Satisfying & Good!
I also called on two girls; yes, they were girls. In their early 20s, I was told that they were lovers. Had been in love since their teens.
They did not play the husband & wife routine. They were both active & outright females. Yes, they did have sex with one another. Talked about it quite frankly. They each had their own "strap-on dildo" that they used. They had a couple of friends coming in occasionally. They said neither was a bull dike; they were girls that were in love, & enjoyed their lives together!
I called on a couple in their late 40s. Both were nice-looking people. The female was dominant and the male was submissive. They had been married for some 20 years. She only recently had the desire to be a Mistress. Her husband, who was passive, decided to make him a total submissive. She also had him cross-dressed, wig & all! She made him get on his knees, crawl to the coffee pot, stand, pour 2 cups, then back on his knees, and carry one cup at a time to us. When "she" finished delivering the coffee, the dominant female made her husband bend over a chair and proceeded to whip him with a crop. He began begging her to stop. She asked if he would be a good girl the rest of the day. He said he would. So she stopped and made him kneel in front of us. Then told him to tell me how much he liked being a girl. He responded that he very much liked being her girl. Always looked forward to getting up in the morning to be dressed. She then slapped him in the face and told him to go to the living room & vacuum the carpet. He said, "yes, Mistress!"
My next interview was with a Professional Mistress. Her name was Maude. She was in her late 50s. When I made the appointment with her, she told me she had a session ending when I was to arrive. I saw the submissive leaving as I approached. He was a male in his 30s, nice looking, with a medium build. He did say HI to me as we passed. I'm sure he figured I was the next "VICTIM".
Maude asked me in. We went to the kitchen, where she served coffee, cookies, & conversation. She said she had been married to a submissive husband for over twenty years. But it got to the point where she no longer wanted a D&S situation in her marriage. So she divorced her husband, & went to being pro all the time. She said she had about 16 regulars; each wanting different types of punishment, along with what she enjoyed doing. She especially liked to put her "TRIBE" in panties, call them dirty names, <whore, slut, bitch, worthless cunt,> & many more I cannot remember. She liked bondage, whipping, & making them crawl to, & from her. She also was into golden showers. She said it turned her on to use men, any way she wished! She was anything but a beautiful woman. It just shows that submissive males are only interested in what they can have, that pleases them.
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