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Alt.Sex.Fetish.Diapers FAQ
Subject: FAQ: ASFD FAQ (Autoposting)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 03:42:01 -0500 (EST)
(version 2.1)

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Table of Contents

General Info
  • What is the purpose of this group? (as we understand it at this moment)
  • What is Infantilism?
  • Does this have anything to do with minors?
  • I'm a new baby on the net, how do I get around?
More on Infantilism
  • What is the DPF?
  • What is VBV?
  • Are there any books on infantilism?
  • Weren't there a few talk show episodes that delt with Infantilism?
  • Are there any movies with passing infantilist content?
  • Are these interests "normal?"
  • What if I really really want to eliminate these interests?
  • I find most disposable diapers available today to be inadequate, what can I do?
Online Resources
  • What is the resource list?
  • What other on-line resources are there out there?
  • So I'm on compuserve, how do I get to the adult babies forum?
  • I'm on a system that does not have news access, how can I read alt.sex.fetish.diapers?
  • I have news, but my news server does not carry alt.sex.fetish.diapers.
  • I'm on an on-line service that doesn't have FTP, what can I do?
  • I'm a shy baby, but still want to contribute to the newsgroup. What can I do?
  • Can I post to alt.sex.fetish.diapers via mail non-anonymously?
Tips and Hints
  • So, what's this marvelous modified diaper that I keep hearing people talk about?
  • Are there adult diaper services, just like there are baby diaper services?
  • I've never used a flat cloth diaper before, how do I fold it?

General Info

What is the purpose of this group? (as we understand it at this moment)

It is a forum for people with interests in infantilism, diapers, age-play, and related activities. The partners of people with these interests are also welcomed wholeheartedly.

Ideally this group could be a valuable support structure for people to get in touch with their feelings and interests, so they don't feel so alienated just because they have an interest that wasn't covered by previous Usenet groups. Personally I found it very valuable to see that I wasn't alone, and to meet other people who have found ways to deal and still carry on a "normal" life.

Hopefully we can develop some on-line resources that people can draw upon to enrich their play. Like a list of places to get products, and reviews of them. (I believe that this could be particularly useful for people new to the scene.) Not to mention the ever-growing archive of stories.


What is Infantilism?

Infantilism is the derivation of sexual pleasure from acting or being treated like a baby. Infantilists usually enjoy one or more of the following:

  • Wearing diapers
  • Using diapers for their intended purposes
  • Wearing or using adult-sized baby clothes, bibs, pacifiers, baby bottles, etc.
  • Acting and being treated like a baby (being bottle- or spoon-fed, having diapers changed, etc.) by a lover within the context of a role-playing scene


Does this have anything to do with minors?

I would like to make the statement from the beginning that infantilism does not involve minors in any way, shape, form whatsoever. The term 'Infantilism' may suggest to some that minors may be involved. That is just not the case.

Any discussion of activities involving minors is completely and totally unacceptable for this news group. We are here to celebrate childhood, not to spoil it and make it a living hell.


I'm a new baby on the net, how do I get around?

There are many helpful introductions to the net and how to get around the net in news.announce.newusers, news.newusers.questions, and news.answers. Also your system administrator can be very helpful in instructing you on how to use facilities like anonymous FTP, news, and e-mail on your local system. Finally, if you already know how to use anonymous FTP, there is a wealth of information about the net on RTFM.MIT.EDU.

A lot of these things can be very specific to your local installation, and other people on this newsgroup may not know how to help you other than to point you to these resources.

More on Infantilism

What is the DPF?

This is yet another TLA (Three Letter Acronym), which stands for Diaper Pail Friends (formerly Diaper Pail Fraternity). They are an organization based in California dedicated to helping infantilists, diaper fetishists, and people with other related interests.

They also sell lots of interesting items, hence they are listed in the a.s.f.d source list. There is also a short introduction to the DPF written by Billy lying around on-line somewhere. The DPF is run by Tommy, who has an account on Compuserve. If you wish to write directly to him his account is 76146,2734 on Compuserve. To send mail to him from Internet send it to 76146.2734@compuserve.com.

Diaper Pail Friends (DPF)
38 Miller Ave Suite 127
Mill Valley, CA 94941
Phone: 415-381-9105 inactive as of {{{2}}}:RR

The DPF in California is not affiliated with #DPF the IRC channel or dpf@Jack-Vance.MIT.EDU the Internet mailing list.

What is VBV?

VBV is a Danish organization for infantilists/diaper fetishists. Their catalog is included in our resource list. VBV is run by Nicolai Lang who you can mail at babylai@VBV.PING.DK.

Voksne Babyers Verden
P.O. Box 27A
Dk-5550 Langeskov
Denmark
+45 / 65 38 34 13

Are there any books on infantilism?

Some works by Dr. John Money make mention of infantilism, like "Lovemaps" and "Venuses Penises." There are also two papers on infantilism available from the DPF.

"Men in Love" by Nancy Friday contains a section on diaper and related fetishes and possible explanations.

Sometimes Nugget magazine has some infantilist stories.

Finally, there is a book worth reading called "Different Loving" it contains a chapter on age play in general, including a section devoted to infantilism.

Different Loving: An Exploration of the World of Sexual Dominance and Submission_. Brame, Gloria G., William D. Brame, and Jon Jacobs. New York: Villard Books (Random House), 1993, isbn 0-679-40873-8.

There are a few stories that make passing mentions of bed-wetting and other topics that some people here find interesting:

Orwell. "Such, Such Were the Joys." "The Well-Tempered Schoolboy" Autobiographical tales of his adventures at boarding school.

Weren't there a few talk show episodes that delt with Infantilism?

There were a number of talk show hosts that had episodes dealing with infantilism. I know that both Donahue and Jerry Springer did such shows. All of them are available for purchase from DPF.

Are there any movies with passing infantilist content?

Here's a short list of movies people have mentioned previously:

Auvoir Les Enfants
The 12 year old who is the central figure of the movie is a bed-wetter. He awakens in the dormitory one night surrounded by thirty or forth other beds and realizes he has wet. He tries to clean up his mess and, as I recall the other boys wake up. At another time he talks about his "problem" with a friend. Mostly, the movie is about children growing up during World War II.
The Baby
Supposedly about an adult man kept as a baby by his mother. Although no one can seem to find this film.
Brimstone and Treacle
A story about a teenage girl that is left an incontinent vegetable after an accident.
Come Next Spring
No further description.
The Devil's Playground (Australian film 1976)
No further description.
The Hideaways
The child actor (aged maybe nine) runs across a field. Waiting for the shot he has wet his pants. The director put it in either thinking that no one would notice or for the mischief of it.
The Loneliest Runner (made for TV movie)
Bed-wetting. Although I hear the plot of the movie isn't very nice, and the mother is quite mean to the child. So, I'd personally skip over this one.
You Can't Do That On Television (a TV series)
On one particular episode little Amius and an older boy are talking about babysitters. The older boy says, "It would be easy to babysit a kid like you. At least I wouldn't have to change diapers!" Amius, arguably the cutest ten year old on television at the time, replies, "Well, Er. Uh......"

Are these interests "normal?

Infantilism and diaper fetishism fall into a category of phenomena knows as paraphilias. In the view of modern psychotherapists most paraphilias are completely harmless and bring many people great inner happiness. Paraphilias can almost always be made manageable, so that one can carry on a normal life.

The greatest source of problems with paraphilias is the guilt that people feel in indulging in their interests. This can be very damaging and can make people very unhappy. To paraphrase John Money, you either have to give up the guilt or give up the paraphilia.

The principle of a psychotherapist molding their patient into their ideal person is a very outmoded idea. If you find this happening to you it is often time to find a second opinion.


What if I really really want to eliminate these interests?

If you do decide that you do not want to wear diapers or be an infantilist, but do have these urges that you would like to go away; there are ways of helping you achieve this. This is often a very difficult road, and shouldn't be taken lightly.

One thing often to consider is how much of your personality is tied up in these interests. Personally I have noticed that I would be a completely different person if I was not interested in infantilism.

Are you willing to become someone completely different to give up these urges?

Finally the treatment often involves behavior modification therapy, which can be quite unpleasant. This process can also require the administration of drugs which will temporarily reduce your sex drive to help in the process. An infrequent side effect of this can be the permanent reduction of sex drive.

This is my current understanding of the treatment options, which may be just as outdated and Victorian as the view some people have of infantilism in the first place.


I find most disposable diapers available today to be inadequate, what can I do?

First off, you can try some of the other places in the resource list to see if their diapers are more adequate. Secondly, you can try using diaper boosters, which are little inserts that act just like stuffers. Thirdly, you can try using stuffers by wearing multiple diapers and poking holes in the waterproof layer of the inner diapers.

Finally, you can call up your favorite diaper company and tell them that they make woefully inadequate diapers. The only way they are going to make better ones is if people tell them what they make is bad.

Online Resources

What is the resource list?

The resource list is compilation of companies that sell items that would be of interest to people on this newsgroup. Basically, this is all the places that we know of, so don't ask if we know of any more places. If someone is holding back information, asking again isn't going to help since they probably have their reasons.

Note, a number of the companies on the list do not know about infantilists/diaper fetishists, while others do and are quite friendly to us. There are separate sections for this division of companies, so be careful if you wish to avoid embarrassment.

The resource list is posted to a.s.f.d periodically and is also available for anonymous FTP to Jack-Vance.MIT.EDU as /pub/norelco/asfd.RES or as http://Jack-Vance.MIT.EDU/ftp/pub/norelco/asfd.RES on the web.

What other on-line resources are there out there?

A number of us talk on a regular basis on the IRC channel #DPF. It is a semi-secret channel, and is invisible to people outside the channel. So it is possible to retain some anonymity from outsiders. For help on how to use IRC or compile it on your system, send mail to norelco@Jack-Vance.MIT.EDU. (#DPF on IRC has no affiliation with the DPF in California.)

There is an adult baby forum on Compuserve, there are details below.

Finally there are some files available for anonymous ftp from Jack-Vance.MIT.EDU in the directory /pub/norelco. Please don't overload the site, because that will make it go away quickly.

There are some stories on FTP.SPC.EDU in the PENDOR directory that might be of interest to those in this group. Although I haven't read many. "Attendant" tells me that none of the files here have any diaper related or infantilist related content, so I guess it's a dud.

If you find any other resources, please tell us.

So I'm on compuserve, how do I get to the adult babies forum?

The adult baby group on Compuserve is a warm, supportive one and well worth the Compuserve rates.

To join in the group do the following.

Type "go hsx" and read the following screens. Follow the instructions. You are not allowed to access the group immediately as a courtesy to the other members. You will be required to read a specific file which can be accessed by going into library 16 and typing "r closed.txt."

Then you must send a private message to the sysop explaining why you want access. Please do not be afraid to do this, the sysops of the group just want to make sure your just not playing around. The group is warm and wonderful with messages and files for download. The Diaper Pail Friends are a part of the group so its a good place to be.


I'm on a system that does not have news access, how can I read

alt.sex.fetish.diapers?

You can use our semi-experimental news -> e-mail gateway. Basically this takes each news posting and sends it to you as an individual e-mail message. So, this can flood your mailbox if you don't clean it out often. When you want to reply to a posting, you should use either the anonymous posting service at anon.penet.fi or the non-anonymous posting service at decwrl.dec.com, which are both mentioned below, since the gateway is only one-way.

If you would like to sign up for this service, send mail to asfd-redist-request@Jack-Vance.MIT.EDU.


I have news, but my news server does not carry alt.sex.fetish.diapers.

You can do one of two things:

1. Use the news -> e-mail gateway as mentioned above.
2. Send mail to your news administrator requesting that they carry alt.sex.fetish.diapers.

I highly recommend the second option because it: reduces load on the gateway, and also gives our news group a wider distribution which will attract people just like us that may not know we are out here.

I'm on an on-line service that doesn't have FTP, what can I do?

There is a service that I don't know much about called FTPmail. Just send mail to ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com with the message body and subject of help. Hopefully that will be enough to get you started.

I'm a shy baby, but still want to contribute to the newsgroup. What

can I do?

There are many of us out there who have something to say, but for one reason or another would like to keep their anonymity. There are a number of services out there to assist you. There is a popular one that you can get information about by sending mail to help@anon.penet.fi.

If there are any other anonymous posting services people know of I'd be more than happy to hear about it.

Can I post to alt.sex.fetish.diapers via mail non-anonymously?

Sure. Just send mail with your post to alt.sex.fetish.diapers.usenet@decwrl.dec.com and it will be posted automatically.

Tips and Hints

So, what's this marvelous modified diaper that I keep hearing people talk about?

Well, someone who goes by the nickname of "Toddler" on IRC has a modified diaper "recipe" that is unsurpassed in my book. They are extremely bulky, but hold in just about anything in my opinion.

Recipe for Toddler's Wonder Diapers (compliments of Toddler):

You need Ultra Attends Plus adult diapers and Scott Promise Pad's, Overnight Weight. A hot melt glue gun, a razor knife, a pair of scissors, and a roll of Contact paper.

Cut the contact paper across it's width into 4 inch wide strips. The contact paper is, btw, available in a number of attractive prints as well as plain white for wimps :)

Apply the contact paper to the front of the Attends as a taping panel. This will prevent the all too common Attends "Tape Popping". Truly an annoying phenomenon. Set the "empaneled" Attends to one side.

With the scissors trip away most of the excess material in the crotch of a Scott Promise pad. Then, with the razor knife, cut a rectangular panel out of the back of the pad, being careful not to disturb the fill excessively. Fold the rear wings of the pad into a V shape to allow the pad to fit nicely inside the Attends, and glue the wings down.

Open the Attends up and lay the Promise pad, soft side up, inside the diaper. Fold back the front of the pad and glue around the remaining waterproof backing and affix it to the front of the attends. Do the same with the middle and the back. The point is to create a complete waterproof seal around the glued perimeter, this makes the resulting combination more effective.

At this point you are done. It works with both Medium and Large Attends, and might work with the Small Attends although you would probably have to use a smaller pad to make it fit right.

Are there adult diaper services, just like there are baby diaper

services?

There sure are! Many places that offer baby diapers also have adult sizes. So, if you call around a little you can pay to have clean cloth diapers delivered to your home. Now, isn't that convenience? (Especially if you don't have to change them yourself.)


I've never used a flat cloth diaper before, how do I fold it?

Assuming that you have a flat prefold type of diaper. The usual way of folding them would be to fold the first 1/3 of the diaper over the center panel and then fold that 1/3 back over itself. Do the same with the other side. It should look like this. 

        --------\            /--------
      /---------/            \---------\   View looking at the top of
      \--------------------------------/   the diaper from the ends

You can also insert one or more baby sized prefolds in the center to make them more absorbent and thicker. To me this makes them even more babyish.

After they are folded this way, just lie down on them and pull the front up over your tummy and gently pull the corners from the front and back together and pin them comfortably at the waist. Be sure to put on a good pair of protective pants and enjoy wetting in your new diapers just like a Baby!

(compliments of ericm@panix.com)

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